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Detroit Pistons continue dominance of Orlando Magic in 85-80 victory

11/03/09 | by Zach McCann [mail] | Categories: Recaps

Believe it or not, there isn’t a Detroit curse on the Magic, and there isn’t some type of “matchup issue” with Detroit. Missing Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince, tonight’s Pistons team shared virtually no characteristics with the Pistons teams of the past few seasons. No Rasheed, no McDyess, no Billups, no Rip, no Prince, no lockdown defense — this game was simply about the Magic being outplayed by another team, on both ends of the floor. The jersey on the opposing team is simply coincidence.

Ben Gordon, Rodney Stuckey and Will Bynum combined to score 65 of the Pistons’ 85 points as the Pistons beat up Orlando 85-80. Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat fouled out, leaving Brandon Bass to play center in the game’s final minutes, and Vince Carter sat out most of the fourth quarter. Howard endured his worst game of recent memory (8 points, 5 rebounds, 17 minutes), and Gortat didn’t play much better (4 points, 7 rebounds, 23 minutes).

With the Magic’s stars out, it was one of the worst offensive games of the Stan Van Gundy era. The Magic shot 36.7 percent from the field, 28.6 percent from three-point range, reached the free-throw line 16 times compared to Detroit’s 38, and scored only 24 points in the paint.

  • Three seconds

    1. On a night where the Magic’s big men were in foul trouble, the backcourt didn’t show up. Vince Carter led the Magic with 15 points, but he really didn’t play well. He took 16 shots, all of which were outside of the paint (more on that later), making only six of them. JJ Redick, Jason Williams and Jameer Nelson didn’t play great offensively, either. But it was in the defensive backcourt where the Magic suffered the most problems. Ben Gordon controlled the game, taking advantage of, at times, lackluster defense from Carter, as well as outsmarting Redick more than once out on the perimeter. You can live with that, though. You can’t live with Will Bynum abusing Nelson and Williams on the perimeter, penetrating almost at will and creating open mid-range looks for himself off the dribble. Stuckey didn’t play particularly efficiently (it took him 20 shots to score 20 points), but he practically penetrated at will.

    2. Jameer Nelson, with just seven points on 3-of-11 shooting, was significantly outplayed by Detroit’s point guards. In a game when Orlando’s other stars were hobbled, suspended and fouled out, it was time for Nelson to take over. And it never happened. Nelson struggled to find a shot off isolation and pick-and-roll situations in the fourth quarter, consequently ending the game with a turnover and a couple bad shots in the final minutes. Nelson is going to have games like this – any shooting point guard is — but the Magic really wish it came on a different night.

    3. For all the talk about defense, the offense didn’t show up tonight. Tonight was more than just Orlando missing shots — the players were standing around, watching others play one-on-one and shooting contested jumpers early in the shot clock. I know the shots aren’t always going to fall, but tonight was simply bad offense. Three players standing around watching pick-and-rolls — I know that’s what Orlando’s offense is based around, but we saw very little cutting and very little movement outside of the players near the ball.

  • What to like

    Even with Howard and Gortat battling foul trouble, the Magic did a decent job on the boards. The Pistons held a 44-42 rebounding advantage and a 26-24 points in the paint advantage, which can certainly be considered a wash in a 48-minute basketball game. That said, the Pistons had a rotation of Ben Wallace and Kwame Brown at the center position, and Charlie Villanueva isn’t known for his rebounding prowess at power forward, so it’s not like the Magic deserve a gold star for the performance. Brandon Bass and Matt Barnes should earn some credit, though.

  • What not to like

    I know he was hobbled, and I know it was only one game, but check out Vince Carter’s shot chart from tonight:

    Vince Carter, 6-of-16 from the field

    No field-goal attempts in the paint. All jumpers. No aggressiveness. Watching the game, it looked like Vince had no intentions on putting the offense in motion or attacking the rim. He fired early in possessions, often with double digits left on the shot clock. We all know he has freedom to do almost whatever he wants, and that’s fine, but a little more patience and tact would be nice out of the veteran.

    Outside of that, there was a lot not to like about the team’s offense, which is discussed above.

  • Magic’s best: Matt Barnes played well in a game where he was asked to do a little bit of everything, totaling 11 points and 7 rebounds in 25 minutes. He hit two key jumpers in the fourth quarter, as well as assisting on several offensive rebounds where he tipped the ball back to a guard outside the key.

  • Magic’s worst: Nelson, who forced up several shots that drew the ire of Van Gundy, didn’t have his best night. He’s coming off a 30-point game where he carried the team to victory against Toronto, so we’ll chalk this one up to a bad night.

  • Up next: The Magic don’t have long to stew over this one, flying back to Orlando to play the Phoenix Suns Wednesday night at 7 p.m. The Suns are undefeated this year and are back to their up-tempo, fastbreak offense — if the Magic come out slowly, the Suns can take it to them.
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    Comment from: 2loud4nba [Member] Email
    When it rains it pours.....Everyone looked bad last night. Perhaps it was just the first road trip of the year or (God forbid) it is simply Detroit is in our teams head.....Tonight we will see a different team.

    Friday I hope Dwight gets some better help down in the post. Perhaps start Bass with him? I don't know but something needs to change.
    11/04/09 @ 05:17
    Comment from: James [Visitor]
    Yea it was a bad game all the way around.. Carter didnt look fully healthy and wasnt moving that well.. Jameer just had one of those bad games which can happen and the refs bottled up howard and gortat (questionable calls all nite).. detroit jus has magics number as long as stuckey and bynum play for them..magic need to play good D tonite to beat pheonix and should be able to play better against dteroit in Orlando
    11/04/09 @ 06:26
    Comment from: tbb [Visitor]
    Van Gundy sat VC out because he's stil having trouble w/ his ankle, thats why he took shots outside of the paint and never really played good D.
    11/04/09 @ 06:41
    Comment from: Billy [Visitor]
    You can't say that Detroit has the Magic's number while Stuckey and Bynum are there. That's exactly what people said when Billups was there... and Rasheed... and McDyess... Hell, even Tayshaun and Rip were out. Bynum just showed up last year, Stuckey really only affected the Magic starting in the 2008 playoffs. Nothing to do with previous playoff and regular season losses.

    The only similarity was the jersey last night, and the result of course. It's ridiculous to insinuate some kind of voodoo hex was placed on the franchise after T-Mac's "It feels great to be in the 2nd round", but that's the best thing I can come up with. I mean, with as many great shooters as the Magic have, there were way too many missed jumpers. With the quality big men we have, there's no way we should've been outplayed by Ben Wallace and Kwame Freakin' Brown.

    Everyone in a Pistons uniform seems to have a season or career high at some point against the Magic, while the Magic forget how to play basketball when we go against that red, white, and blue. It's frustrating, but I keep telling myself it's just a single game in the first week of November. Now if we lose Friday...
    11/04/09 @ 11:17
    Comment from: Manny [Visitor]
    The only team that dominated the Magic last night was the officiating team. Garbage call after garbage call, just look at how many times Detroit went to the stripe compared to the Magic. Not to mention the flopping that the refs were blowing the whistle on all night. Disgusting officiating.
    11/04/09 @ 11:53
    Comment from: micah [Visitor]
    i love the magic. i love their style of play, thats what makes them who they are. but over 30 3s? and a good deal of them were not open looks. i understand that shooting teams have nights like last night, but i sure hope stan tells them to go to the hoop more tonight than last night.
    11/04/09 @ 12:28
    Comment from: Paul [Visitor]
    I'd have to heavily agree with Manny, although it surely doesn't excuse a loss to this version of the Pistons. We REALLY missed MP in this game as he would have been able to slow down, if not negate a lot of what Detroit's backcourt was doing. Why hasn't anyone mentioned Ryan Anderson? Shooters are supposed to keep shooting, but my god, 1-11 3s? Also, did anyone think Jason Williams should have gotten more 4th quarter minutes? Although his defense wasn't any better, I thought offensively he played better and he damn sure took care of the ball better than Jameer did.
    11/04/09 @ 12:57
    Comment from: Billy [Visitor]
    Blaming the refs isn't the way to go. Especially considering the Magic did more than their fair share to beat themselves last night. The refs didn't have anything to do with the Magic missing a ton of open three's, or never driving to the basket, or Dwight losing composure and committing silly fouls (Gortat's calls and the calls against JJ on Gordon were questionable, but Dwight earned his fouls).
    11/04/09 @ 17:13
    Comment from: J the Drafter [Visitor]
    Uh, when the refs call everything agasinst our centers, allow Detroit players to mug us, award calls to the Pistons on bumps, and bombard us with a slew of offensive fouls in the fourth, yeah, it's the officating. Kwame Brown shot more free throws than the entire Magic team the first quarter. Sometimes it's the play, sometimes it's the refs.
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